{"id":8285,"date":"2013-04-29T15:38:59","date_gmt":"2013-04-29T19:38:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=8285"},"modified":"2013-04-29T15:38:59","modified_gmt":"2013-04-29T19:38:59","slug":"why-the-antis-lost","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=8285","title":{"rendered":"Why the antis lost"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/behranalytics.blogspot.com\/2013\/04\/dont-bring-action-alert-to-gunfight.html\" target=\"_blank\">The antis analyze why they lost<\/a>. \u00a0They <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">still<\/span> do not get it.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230; We waited too long to rally the troops &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Untrue. \u00a0The problem is <a href=\"http:\/\/twitchy.com\/2013\/04\/25\/occupy-fail-stop-the-nra-protest-draws-fluke-like-crowd-plenty-of-media-photos\/\" target=\"_blank\">you have no troops<\/a>, only astroturf.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0 We cannot persuade a moderate Republican Senator with Democrat activists alone &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Possibly true, but you had lots of lamestream media supporting the lie that the public wanted more gun control.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0We won the 2012 election by targeting, targeting, targeting &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\" target=\"_blank\">Obama<\/a> stayed as far away from gun control as possible during the last election.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230; We rely on the online grassroots and ignore the offline grasstops. \u00a0To persuade a member of Congress, we need to couple serious citizen activists with business, religious and community leaders as well as local elected officials who carry personal weight &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, you want more astroturf, not less.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0\u00a0 We didn&#8217;t distribute serious talking points to our email subscribers &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That&#8217;s only because you don&#8217;t have <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">any<\/span>\u00a0serious talking points. \u00a0The antis rely on ignorance, incompetence and intimidation. \u00a0They have no facts to back up their position which is why neither <a href=\"http:\/\/www.governor.ny.gov\" target=\"_blank\">Cuomo<\/a> nor Obama wanted to have legislative debate on the bills.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0Instead of organizing a few major events or protests we delight in encouraging everyone to stage their own, with no cohesive messaging strategy &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=7819\">You cannot have major events with only astroturf<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0 We rely far, far, far, far, far too much on the email petition &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Possibly true, but likely not relevant due to the obvious astroturf nature of the antigun organizations.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0When we use email to urge our activists to phone Congress, we send them to the phones with too little background information and no tips on how to lobby Republican staff &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Possibly true, but also likely not relevant due to astroturf again. \u00a0Politicians know the difference between genuine public interest organizations and phony front groups.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0 Even the best players on our team were curiously inept &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No, they&#8217;re batshit nuts.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0We encouraged folks from out of state to pile on &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Irrelevant given that MAIG was\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nydailynews.com\/news\/national\/democrats-plan-new-gun-campaign-bill-article-1.1328879\" target=\"_blank\">only able to generate 4000 calls<\/a>\u00a0in support of gun control.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0 Very few groups bothered to thank the folks that supported us in the losing effort; the right was all over it, they take care to give praise when it is due &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Irrelevant given that leftist media were slobbering all over the antis who voted.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;\u00a0The Tea Party ramped up an effort to lobby <a href=\"http:\/\/www.house.gov\" target=\"_blank\">House<\/a> members in the days before the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.seante.gov\" target=\"_blank\">Senate<\/a> vote. \u00a0We didn\u2019t do crap &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Astroturf cannot do anything but crap. \u00a0Plus, the leftist media was going all out for gun control. \u00a0What stopped them were real grassroots gunnies and a general public that was <a href=\"http:\/\/politicaloutcast.com\/2013\/04\/only-4-of-americans-think-gun-control-is-the-most-important-issue\/\" target=\"_blank\">not interested<\/a> in the gun control agenda.<\/p>\n<p>H\/T: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pagunblog.com\/2013\/04\/29\/why-they-lost-on-gun-control\/\" target=\"_blank\">SNBQ<\/a>.<\/p>\n<ul class=\"ssb_list_wrapper\"><li class=\"fb2\" style=\"width:135px\"><iframe src=\"\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunpoliticsny.com%2F%3Fp%3D8285&amp;layout=button_count&amp;action=like&amp;show_faces=false&amp;share=true&amp;width=135&amp;height=21&amp;appId=307091639398582\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; 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