{"id":21558,"date":"2020-04-10T12:57:43","date_gmt":"2020-04-10T16:57:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=21558"},"modified":"2020-04-10T12:57:43","modified_gmt":"2020-04-10T16:57:43","slug":"redefining-what-a-serious-offense-is","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=21558","title":{"rendered":"Redefining what a &#8220;serious offense&#8221; is"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>An associate of mine offered the following commentary on bill <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nysenate.gov\/legislation\/bills\/2019\/a9505\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A-9505B<\/a><\/strong>\/<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nysenate.gov\/legislation\/bills\/2019\/s7505\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">S-7505B<\/a><\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;&#8230; one of the Budget Bills as an Article VII policy bill redefined what a &#8220;serious offense&#8221; is. I am not sure that this was a valid Article VII bill as the amendments are necessary to effect the budget. Be that as it may, having a serious offense prior is a bar to getting a handgun possession license and hence acts to prevent one from legally having a handgun. Being convicted of a felony or a serious offense also bars one from possessing a rifle, shotgun, antique firearm, black powder rifle, black powder shotgun, or any muzzle-loading firearm. See <a href=\"https:\/\/nyassembly.gov\/leg\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NY Penal Law 265.01(4)<\/a>. The modern long gun provision has been in effect since 1974 and the muzzle loading provision in effect since 2012 \u2013 pre <a href=\"https:\/\/safeact.ny.gov\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SAFE<\/a>. Besides being retroactive aka effecting current owners, the legislation requires the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.troopers.ny.gov\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NY State Police<\/a> to come up with a list of serious offenses that meets the statutory definition. Prior case law was very narrow on what a &#8220;serious offense&#8221; was to avoid a slew of legal issues. In any event, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.governor.ny.gov\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Cuomo<\/a> is going to create the test case on this \u2013 something that the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nycourts.gov\/ctapps\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NY Court of Appeals<\/a> studiously avoided in <a href=\"https:\/\/law.justia.com\/cases\/new-york\/court-of-appeals\/2013\/184-0.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">People v. Hughes<\/a>, 22 NY3d 44 (2013). Cuomo claims that the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nra.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NRA<\/a> will sue on this. They are so incompetent that they will not. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.saf.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">SAF<\/a> and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aclu.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">ACLU<\/a> will likely sue on multiple grounds &#8211; one of which is void for vagueness &#8211; and win &#8230;&#8221;<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Interesting to see if this comes to pass.<\/p>\n<ul class=\"ssb_list_wrapper\"><li class=\"fb2\" style=\"width:135px\"><iframe src=\"\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/like.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunpoliticsny.com%2F%3Fp%3D21558&amp;layout=button_count&amp;action=like&amp;show_faces=false&amp;share=true&amp;width=135&amp;height=21&amp;appId=307091639398582\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" style=\"border:none; overflow:hidden;  width:150px; height:21px;\" allowTransparency=\"true\"><\/iframe><\/li><li class=\"twtr\" style=\"width:90px\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/share\" class=\"twitter-share-button\" data-url=\"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=21558\">&nbsp;<\/a><script>!function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0],p=\/^http:\/.test(d.location)?'http':'https';if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src=p+':\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js';fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}}(document, 'script', 'twitter-wjs');<\/script><\/li><li class=\"gplus\" style=\"width:68px\"><div class=\"g-plusone\" data-size=\"medium\" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=21558\"><\/div><\/li><li class=\"ssb_linkedin\" style=\"width:64px\"><script src=\"\/\/platform.linkedin.com\/in.js\" type=\"text\/javascript\">lang: en_US<\/script><script type=\"IN\/Share\" data-url=\"http:\/\/www.gunpoliticsny.com\/?p=21558\" data-counter=\"right\"><\/script><\/li><\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An associate of mine offered the following commentary on bill A-9505B\/S-7505B: &#8220;&#8230; one of the Budget Bills as an Article VII policy bill redefined what a &#8220;serious offense&#8221; is. I am not sure that this was a valid Article VII bill as the amendments are necessary to effect the budget. 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